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LA400k RPM in 5th at 60mph?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Kisobush321, Oct 20, 2023.

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  1. Kisobush321

    Kisobush321 Copenworld Newbie

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    Anyone know what RPM a manual LA400k is at when it's in 5th gear going 60mph??? Same as the L880k???
     
  2. AFR0N1

    AFR0N1 Copenworld Regular

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    I did some maths and based on the gear ratio and tire size, at 60mph (26.8224 m/s) the engine speed should be 3724.481296 rpm. (3.7 x1000)

    A UK delivered L880k will be doing 3,678 rpm and a JP L880k MT will be doing 3,901rpm

    Specs on the LA400k MT:
    5th gear ratio: 0.75
    Final drive: 5.545
    Wheel diameter (mm): 572mm

    Hopefully my math was correct. (edit: compared with an online calc and got the same result)
     
    Last edited: Oct 21, 2023
  3. AFR0N1

    AFR0N1 Copenworld Regular

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  4. Kisobush321

    Kisobush321 Copenworld Newbie

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    Cheers mate. But I know the 880's (I have one). Was just wondering the L400K's to see if they improved upon the high RPM on the highway. I figure it's probably similar. Can't figure out why they haven't just added a 6th gear. It's really the Copen's (or all kei-cars for that matter) Achilles heel. Perhaps its only one.
     
  5. Regulus-2020

    Regulus-2020 Copenworld Newbie

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    Although I also wish Copen had a 6th gear, the current gear ratios make sense in Japan, basically the only market where the L400 is marketed--you rarely reach 100 km/h and 80-90 km/h are a very common speeds in the highway. Keep in mind that maximum torque is achieved at 3200 rpm, and in 5th gear that means 83 km/h.

    But it would have been great to have a long 6th gear for hypermiling.

    (Honda S660 and N-One do have 6-gear gearboxes).

    Cheers,

    Regulus-2020
     
  6. BlakjeKaas

    BlakjeKaas Copenworld Newbie

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    The bolt pattern of the JB-DET is the same as the EJ-VE (which you can find in the Cuore/Mira/Charade L251 for example).
    I am not sure if for some reason you can't swap these gearboxes, but if you can it would reduce your RPM's by a factor 0.72 (so you can cruise 60 MPH @ 2700RPM, but still only 5 gears though).

    The bolt pattern of the KF-DET is similar to the K3-VE (probably wouldn't work) and possibly equal to the KF-VE, however I can't find too much information on this gearbox. I would expect it to result in the same sort of RPM reduction though.

    I'm currently looking into getting as much information together as I can about this possible gearbox swap (JB-DET to EJ-VE) before I actually dare to do it. Do you have any tips or tricks regarding (removal of) the gearbox?

    I'm looking forward to try it, but I do currently lack the confidence (and also the right tools) to actually do it.
     

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