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Newbie Q; cambelt?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Binz, May 3, 2012.

  1. Binz

    Binz Copenworld Regular

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    Hi,

    does the Copen have a cambelt that needs changing every so often? I could see no mention of it in the handbook.
     
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  2. dwayner

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    I was told they dont have,
     
  3. Lotuseater

    Lotuseater Copenworld Regular

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    They have a Chain not a Belt, so would need to checked every now and then - dought there would be a need to replace!
     
  4. Binz

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    great, thanks both
     
  5. dwayner

    dwayner Copenworld Regular

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    just checked with Daihatsu, and the copen 1.3 has a timing chain - the 660 doesnt.
     
  6. lamster

    lamster Copenworld Member

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    chains

    both models have chains
     
  7. dwayner

    dwayner Copenworld Regular

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    copen 660 has a timeing BELT - i know this since i had it replaced for 500 dollars, along with the other rubber belts that were starting to wear. With Belts, there isnt any tell-tale signs they are wearing out. (Manufacturing part number TKH 2900110678A it is listed on the invoice) I just replaced them as a precaution really.

    However, the 1300 has a timing CHAIN, and although better in the long run, as they dont really have the problem of "snapping" like the belts can under some circumstances, the timing chain, makes a rustling noise, becomes noisy etc. thats when you replace it. In some cars it can be difficult and expensive if it isnt repaired before it really gets bad.
     
  8. Rex

    Rex Copenworld Pioneer

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    Hummm, strange dwayne,
    Looking at page B42 onwars of engine manualy (660, can be downloaded from this site), clearly shows a timing chain....

    Also the oil pump is driven by a seperate chain.

    Rex.
     
  9. dwayner

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    I have the old one in front of me, and its definately rubber.
    If you go into the Japanese site for Diahatsu, and look at the two pics of them - the chain and the belt, and they are both called "chains" .
    I cant explain why there s confusion in this - some of the sites say chain, some say belts- i have had this done already, and kept the old one, so i could use the re-order number should i need it again. it seems oldd that is should be replaced every 30,000km? since i replaced mine at around 100,000 km - not becuase it needed to, but the other rubber belts, that drive all the other things, made it easier to do, all at the same time. Its not a very big belt by the way. Compared to the chain i had on one of my older cars in the past.
    ould it be that Australian Copens are mechinically different? im not sure
     
  10. dwayner

    dwayner Copenworld Regular

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    For all aussie copen owners.
    There is no longer any timing belts in stock as of last week. (melbourne Daihatsu stock warehourse)
    They $126.50 each to purchase only - not to fit, but might be an idea to order them in thru toyota in advance of needing one, as the time to get them in is about 6 weeks - to have one, just in case you need one later on..
     
  11. Threadbare

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    I'm really confused. After jacking up my car I couldn't spot a single toothed belt.
    According to the service manual the 659 engine has a timing chain and sprocket. I'm wondering if there is indeed some strange difference between the UK and Australian copens.
    Of course, if it's anything like the oil filter it's probably buried somewhere both invisible and inaccessible. :-((
     
  12. dwayner

    dwayner Copenworld Regular

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    yeah its confusing alright - i noticed in the original manual, it says
    on the 200,000km service voucher, replace timing belt. I have one of the original copen 600cc manuals. Ive had the car since new. The manual that Toyota have, which i saw in comparison, is a service manual that goes in all Daihatsu cars and the delta trucks. So some of those cars have belts, some chains. So they told me, they generalize to encompass all the vehicles in the range. In one section,, on page 121, it says "replace timing chain" in the manual, but there is an asterix next to it - at the bottom of the page it says "except copen". Since we dont have the 1300cc model in australia, it can only mean the 600cc model. The service "supplement" which is a separate one printed by "daihatsu Australia", also adds some of the separate requirements for Copens in australia. They say in their words " Manual printed in Japan is applicable for Copen overseas model only" - so who knows ??
     
  13. dwayner

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    Ill try and scan and put up here, the invoice i have for the timing belt on the major service. it lists all the parts etc.
     
  14. issuefixed

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    My opinion is that it is impossible for Daihatsu to have different engine blocks for different markets; so 660cc is with timing belt (made with rubber and fiber, and needs replacement) and 1300cc is with timing chain (made with metal and does not need replacement unless necessary). Differences in the manuals would be translation problems as the translators might most probably not understand these terms themselves.
     
  15. Rex

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    Nice idea, but I don't think its a translation problem issuefixed. Just look at the 660 engine manual download. It's clearly shows a chain.

    Rex.
     
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