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Discussion in 'Modifications' started by Humblehog, Feb 24, 2014.

  1. Humblehog

    Humblehog Copenworld Newbie

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    I don't see many Copens with different alloy wheels. My alloys are looking worse for wear and have been looking on the "Wheelbase" website. Are there any problems that I need to know about with changing to other alloy wheels?
     
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  2. sebcal

    sebcal Copenworld Newbie

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    Hi,
    I'd like to know what exact size Daihatsu agree for Copen in 14" (alloys and tires) ?
    Many thanks !
     
  3. trustafox

    trustafox Copenworld Guru

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    They don't! because they only fitted 15 inch wheels. Look in the manual but I bet it only mentions 15 inch.

    Why do you want 14s? is it to have higher profile tyres? Do that if you want to fell like driving a water bed or you live down a long farm track.

    If you keep a similar profile on 14s then it will probably look silly in that they look too small for the arches.
     
  4. trustafox

    trustafox Copenworld Guru

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    A lot of people have put alternative alloys on their Copen. Just look at any photo of Copens in Japan.
     
  5. scooty

    scooty Copenworld Regular

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    Hi sebcal,

    these 14" sizes work (reported from german Copen owners):

    Rim / Offset / Tyre
    5x14 / 40 / 165x60
    5,5x14 / 35 / 165x60
    6x14 / 35 / 165x60
    6x14 / 37 / 195x45
    6x14 / 37 / 165x60
    6x14 / 38 / 165x60

    Andreas
     
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  6. Lou

    Lou Copenworld Newbie

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    Does anyone know if 16"s or 17"swill fit on the 0.7 Copen?
    And if so,what offset would they need to be?

    Ta
    Lou
    X
     
  7. sebcal

    sebcal Copenworld Newbie

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    Thanks scooty ! ;)
    Trustafox, if i think about 14" wheels, it would be for higher profil tyres to get a little more comfort. I don't think this would make a radical difference in comportement of the car...
    The problem is 14" tyres are more expansive than 15" !
     
  8. trustafox

    trustafox Copenworld Guru

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    16s will. I can't recall anyone with 17s, I'd say yes but you would need tyre profiles even less than standard so it will be a rock hard ride. eg 195 40 17 and thats over 7% oversized which could be a bit too much.

    rim diameter doesn't affect offset. It would depend on rim width. I'd guess you'd end up with wider rims if you got larger ones. So the offset would need to reduce a bit to reduce the amount of width going into the arch but instead pushing it outside the arch. Then too much runs risk of breaking the law, unless you roll your arches or fit some flared arches. Like on minis. if you kept a similar offset a wider rim would then start to risk rubbing inside the inside the arch or maybe even a suspension part, especially when turning the fronts. You would get a reduced turning circle.
     
  9. joeleow

    joeleow Copenworld Regular

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    I am on 13" steelies with 165/65 tires. It is a comfortable ride but performance probably suffers a little. This is what the rear wheel looks like with the arches. I might try 185 tires in my next change. :)

    [​IMG]
     
  10. scooty

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    Hi Lou,

    and here's the list for 16" and 17" rims with links to the posts/threads at forum.micro-roadster.de (one needs to register to see embedded pics):

    Rim / Offset / Tyre / Comment / Link
    6x16 / 40 / 195x40 / Link
    6x16 / 43 / 195x40 / (2) / Link1 / Link2
    6,5x16 / 35 / 195x40 / Link
    6,5x16 / 40 / 165x40 / Link1 / Link2
    7x16 / 37 / 195x40 / (1) / Link
    7x16 / 38 / 195x40 / (2) and changes to inner wheelhousing / Link1 / Link2
    5,5x17 / 42 / 165x40 / Link1 / Link2
    7x17 / 38 / 185x35 / (1) / (2) / Link

    (1) Needs Steering delimiters
    (2) Needs fender extension / crimping

    Andreas
     
  11. sebcal

    sebcal Copenworld Newbie

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    Very interesting !
    To be complete, for someone who would change originals alloys (4,5x15 offset 45 ...if i'm right...) while keeping original size of tire : 165/50 R15 73V, what alloy dimensions are OK :
    ?x15 offset :?
     
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  12. scooty

    scooty Copenworld Regular

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    Hi sebcal,

    attached please find the complete list for a lot of tyre and rim combinations (at least the legal ones in Germany).
    It is in german, but I am sure you will make sense of it. :)

    The latest version always can be found in the knowledge base of forum.micro-roadste.de (you have to register to be able to accessi it).

    Andreas

    PS:
    Added translation for the column headers:

    1st line:
    Felge = Rim
    Reifen = Tyre
    Umbauten = Modifications
    Allgemeines = General information


    2nd line:
    Breite = Rim Width
    Durchmessser = Rim Diameter
    Einpresstiefe = Rim Offset
    Hersteller = Manufacturer
    Bezeichnung = Model
    Querschnttsbreite = Tyre Width
    Verhältnis Reifenhöhe zu Reifenbreite = Tyre aspect ratio
    Hersteller = Manufacturer
    Bezeichnung = Model
    Lenkeinschlagsbegrenzer = Steering delimiter
    Federwegsbegrenzer = Supension delimiter
    Kotflügelverbreiterung/Bördeln = Fender extensions/flaring
    Bemerkung = Remarks
    Link = Link :)
     

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  13. trustafox

    trustafox Copenworld Guru

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    Andreas, I know about the Nankang NS2 185's and they are frequently listed on your sheet and I know you have them, but Nankang also do an NS20. Do you know of anyone who has tried that tyre and any noticeable difference from the NS2?
     
  14. sebcal

    sebcal Copenworld Newbie

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    Hi !
    I can't open the attached list... :(
    and i prefer not to registre on the micro-roadster forum. It would be only to get the liste and would make a ghost profil...
    Would somebody make a capture of the list for we can see it directly on this thread ?

    I only want to know what alloy dimensions are OK while keeping original size of tire : 165/50 R15 73V, :
    ?x15 offset :?
    ;)
     
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  15. trustafox

    trustafox Copenworld Guru

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    Well you can use 5J rims with them. You could use 5.5J also but that is only the larger end. 6J rims would be almost the same width as the tyre. I know a lot of dudes like rims a lot wider than the tyre, not for me.
     
  16. Coolcarbon

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    Or you could take them to a local refurb/powder coating specialist and have them cleaned and tarted to a colour of your choice....;)
     
  17. scooty

    scooty Copenworld Regular

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    Mmmh, no problems here to download and open the ZIP file from the post above (click me). Can you please detail the problem you are experiencing?

    Andreas
     
  18. Goulet

    Goulet Copenworld Newbie

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    Hi Andreas, I put these wheels 5,5x14 / 35 / 165x60 . Result : better handling (on country road), better comfort and better look.

    Jérôme
     
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